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	<title>Comments on: Future &#8220;development&#8221;</title>
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	<description>Is not just about Christian Giordano</description>
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		<title>By: zr</title>
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		<dc:creator>zr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Nov 2006 12:55:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>thanks for your thoughts as well :) very appreciated. i think for now it will be processing what i&#039;ll be learning, it looks quite stright forward how it deals with mysql and can be used as serverside app. and its graphics manipulation is better than any other i know :)
and the idea that java may get compiler to exe now that it&#039;s opensource is very pleasing :)

going to dig now :)
ps: i htink i got the idea of the math, it always cuts me the first time, maybe i have to type faster...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>thanks for your thoughts as well <img src='http://nuthinking.com/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  very appreciated. i think for now it will be processing what i&#8217;ll be learning, it looks quite stright forward how it deals with mysql and can be used as serverside app. and its graphics manipulation is better than any other i know <img src='http://nuthinking.com/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /><br />
and the idea that java may get compiler to exe now that it&#8217;s opensource is very pleasing <img src='http://nuthinking.com/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>going to dig now <img src='http://nuthinking.com/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /><br />
ps: i htink i got the idea of the math, it always cuts me the first time, maybe i have to type faster&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: christian</title>
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		<dc:creator>christian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Nov 2006 11:37:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Forgetting... the byte code info was from a friend (never trust them!) and I&#039;m sorry for your math mistake :)
Thanks for commenting btw, chr</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Forgetting&#8230; the byte code info was from a friend (never trust them!) and I&#8217;m sorry for your math mistake <img src='http://nuthinking.com/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /><br />
Thanks for commenting btw, chr</p>
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		<title>By: christian</title>
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		<dc:creator>christian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Nov 2006 11:30:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>(Ops the CSS seems to be a bit broken :S)

Processing is definitely not that bad, I know many estimated people and friends using it. The point is basically that when you do OpenGL stuff the programming language works as a wrapper, so the performances will depend mainly by your Video Card. Of course code optimization at some point matters. You are right, Ruby is known as not being that fast and Java could be faster sometimes. It&#039;s true also that they both use an interpreter but as you have noticed embedding the interpreter for Ruby is way liter/easier, difficult to compare to the JVM.
So I was very impressed by this &quot;simplicity&quot; of Ruby, of course easy to find in modern languages. My interest in it though is not only related to create standalone applications, I&#039;m interested also on the mixture between OOP and dynamic languages to explore new frontier of productivity (Ruby on Rails is an example).
I won&#039;t definitely leave Processing, especially if we consider that after what &lt;a rel=&quot;nofollow&quot; href=&quot;http://www.sun.com/opensource/java&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;happened recently&lt;/a&gt; the possibility to generate standalone applications from P5 becomes closer, and of course I look forward that!</description>
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<p>Processing is definitely not that bad, I know many estimated people and friends using it. The point is basically that when you do OpenGL stuff the programming language works as a wrapper, so the performances will depend mainly by your Video Card. Of course code optimization at some point matters. You are right, Ruby is known as not being that fast and Java could be faster sometimes. It&#8217;s true also that they both use an interpreter but as you have noticed embedding the interpreter for Ruby is way liter/easier, difficult to compare to the JVM.<br />
So I was very impressed by this &#8220;simplicity&#8221; of Ruby, of course easy to find in modern languages. My interest in it though is not only related to create standalone applications, I&#8217;m interested also on the mixture between OOP and dynamic languages to explore new frontier of productivity (Ruby on Rails is an example).<br />
I won&#8217;t definitely leave Processing, especially if we consider that after what <a rel="nofollow" href="http://www.sun.com/opensource/java" rel="nofollow">happened recently</a> the possibility to generate standalone applications from P5 becomes closer, and of course I look forward that!</p>
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		<title>By: zr</title>
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		<dc:creator>zr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Nov 2006 11:10:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ha, i wrote a reply few days ago but stupid me- mistaken the math question and lost all the text, but it actually turn out better as i&#039;ve read some more inbetween and now i have a bit different view on the topic, so here it is ;)

i&#039;ve been brainstorming with similar problems recently, i&#039;m actionscripter but already want to escape the limits of vector graphics and was looking deeeply into Processing as the more powered graphics-oriented language (that&#039;s how i found your blog). aslo i need to do a project next months that needs to work with mysql as well - flash cant :(

and then... i saw this your text and started rethinking... is processing very limited. what i don&#039;t like in it is that i can&#039;t compile to exe, and it runs in java - that i understand as small UI window sizes and processor overloading. so i was happy to read that you&#039;ve been there and you&#039;ve found Ruby (and Phyton but didn&#039;t like it so much) so i started reading about Ruby and it&#039;s amazin language, but there are things i didn&#039;t like in it too.
you say it compiles to bytecode, but i didn&#039;t find any info for that, it runs in VM just like java (and there is a wrapper to make it into .exe but all it does is puts all scripts libraries etc into one file and again runs the VM)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_programming_languages

also here http://shootout.alioth.debian.org/gp4sandbox/benchmark.php?test=all&amp;lang=ruby&amp;lang2=java
it says that ruby is way slowlier in calculations/operations (nearly all) than java (what Processing compiles to) so i start thinking that Processing is actually not that bad compared to Ruby but maybe better. somewhere i&#039;ve read about ruby that the best way to use it for heavy applications is to write it all there as it&#039;s easy to make the ideas work and then the parts that perform heavily to wrerite in C. i believe nothing works as good as compile-to-binary C but i&#039;m not going to learn it :)

so i&#039;d love to hear your comments :)
i hope i got the math right this time ;)
zt</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ha, i wrote a reply few days ago but stupid me- mistaken the math question and lost all the text, but it actually turn out better as i&#8217;ve read some more inbetween and now i have a bit different view on the topic, so here it is <img src='http://nuthinking.com/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>i&#8217;ve been brainstorming with similar problems recently, i&#8217;m actionscripter but already want to escape the limits of vector graphics and was looking deeeply into Processing as the more powered graphics-oriented language (that&#8217;s how i found your blog). aslo i need to do a project next months that needs to work with mysql as well &#8211; flash cant <img src='http://nuthinking.com/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_sad.gif' alt=':(' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>and then&#8230; i saw this your text and started rethinking&#8230; is processing very limited. what i don&#8217;t like in it is that i can&#8217;t compile to exe, and it runs in java &#8211; that i understand as small UI window sizes and processor overloading. so i was happy to read that you&#8217;ve been there and you&#8217;ve found Ruby (and Phyton but didn&#8217;t like it so much) so i started reading about Ruby and it&#8217;s amazin language, but there are things i didn&#8217;t like in it too.<br />
you say it compiles to bytecode, but i didn&#8217;t find any info for that, it runs in VM just like java (and there is a wrapper to make it into .exe but all it does is puts all scripts libraries etc into one file and again runs the VM)<br />
<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_programming_languages" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_programming_languages</a></p>
<p>also here <a href="http://shootout.alioth.debian.org/gp4sandbox/benchmark.php?test=all&amp;lang=ruby&amp;lang2=java" rel="nofollow">http://shootout.alioth.debian.org/gp4sandbox/benchmark.php?test=all&amp;lang=ruby&amp;lang2=java</a><br />
it says that ruby is way slowlier in calculations/operations (nearly all) than java (what Processing compiles to) so i start thinking that Processing is actually not that bad compared to Ruby but maybe better. somewhere i&#8217;ve read about ruby that the best way to use it for heavy applications is to write it all there as it&#8217;s easy to make the ideas work and then the parts that perform heavily to wrerite in C. i believe nothing works as good as compile-to-binary C but i&#8217;m not going to learn it <img src='http://nuthinking.com/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>so i&#8217;d love to hear your comments <img src='http://nuthinking.com/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /><br />
i hope i got the math right this time <img src='http://nuthinking.com/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /><br />
zt</p>
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